Monday, October 29, 2007

KLCC

this is Thursday ---25 October 2007 i took the view of KLCC .
this is the electric water flow that i capture from KLCC water pool...below got a lot different view of KLCC:


This is the KLCC view that capture from evening to night:
~view of KLCC~

kl tower on our hand...huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu.....^>^

one hand can take whole of KLCC...amazing!!!

~the end~

Friday, October 26, 2007

A kiss

Kiss on the stomach = "I am ready"
Kiss on the Forehead ="I hope we're
together forever"
Kiss on the Ear = "You are my
everything"
Kiss on the Cheek = "We're friends"
Kiss on the Hand = "I adore you"
Kiss on the Neck = "We belong together"
Kiss on the Shoulder = "I want you"
Kiss on the Lips = I love you"

What the gesture means...
Holding Hands = "We definitely love
each
othe r"
Sl ap on the Butt = "That's mine"
Holding on tight = "i don't want to
let go"
Looking into each other's Eyes = "i
just
plain love you"
Playing with Hair = "Tell me you love
me"
Arms around the Waist = "I love you too
much to let go"
Laughing while Kissing = "I am
completely comfortable with you"

-- Advice --
Don't ask for a kiss, take one.
If you were thinking about someone
while
reading this, you're definitely in
Love.

Saturday, October 20, 2007

friend's bulletin wrote this!!!

如果一个男人真的爱你,
他的手机会 为你24小时开机,
在你最需要他的 时候可以随时找到他,
因为他爱你, 所以会时时担心你

如果一个 男人爱你,
他会很自豪的告诉他的朋 友与家人你是他最
爱的女人 ,
当然并不是时时挂在嘴上,
而是用 一种行动去告诉别人,
你是他最爱的 女人!
因为有了你他觉得很骄傲,

无论你是不 是真
的很优秀 。。。

如 果一个男 人真的爱你,
他会把除了工作之外的 很多时间都给你,当然会偶
尔和朋友 去聚会,
因为 他想时时刻刻都看见你。

如 果一个男人真的爱你,
他会毫不吝啬 的给你物质上的付出(我并不
是说所
有的女孩子都应该物质化,这种付出 是他心甘
情愿
的)
因为他觉得他所有 辛苦的努力就是为了让你
过上很幸福 的生活,
他爱你,不想让你过的那么 艰苦

如果一个男人真的爱你 ,
他绝对不会骂你,
在你很 任性的时候任你发泄,
当你任性过去 的时候,
会很委屈的说:“老婆,我 又作错什么了?你
可以告诉我,我一 定改,千万不要生气,那样会把
身体 气坏的”

如果一个男人真的 爱你,
你会发现你和他在一起后,
不经意间发 现你
总有很多 穿不完的衣服 ,
而此时你会发现他的裤子上有个小 洞洞,
他会很解嘲的说:“现在不是 流行乞丐服吗?再说
男人要有内涵, 穿那么好干什么?”
呵呵,因为他总 是看见漂亮的东西就买给你。

如果一个男人真的爱你,
他就不在 乎陪你逛街会浪费他多少出去自由的机
会,因为他甘愿失去 那种所谓的自由。。

如果一 个男人真 的爱你,
无论你们在一起多 久,
都会陪你 一起爬山,看海,看星星,看日落,
因为他知道你渴望这样的浪漫。。。

如果一个男人真的爱你,
他 绝对不会嚷嚷着叫你去减肥,
但是这 个时候你自己一定要去健康减肥,
因 为苗条的女人确实可以叫人赏心悦目。
因为你的健康是他最关心的。
如果 一个男人真的爱你,
他不会 留恋与网络与别的小妹眉甜言蜜语,
因为对你他都有说不完的爱,
哪有那 心思和别人废话。。。

如果 一个男人真的爱你,
他不会还和前女 友很密切联系,
虽说分手了还是朋友 ,
在她困难的时候可以去帮助她,

但是不 会超过朋 友的底线。。

如果一个男人 真的爱你,
他 在每天很辛苦的工作回到家的时候,
会抱着你说“老婆,我回来了”
他爱 你,他绝对不会把不快乐带给你!
如 果一个男人真的爱你,
他会 在清晨上班的时候,
亲吻你的眼睛, 满足的说:宝贝,我上班去了!”
如 果一个男人真的爱你,
他绝 对不会忍心背叛你,
无论出于什么样 的动机。。
因为在他眼里,
你是最美的。。
即便你不是

如果一个男人真的爱你,
他 会在你故意说要离开的时候,
撒娇的 不和你分开,
而在你真的想离开的时 候,
就会放你走,
即便他真 的不愿意放手。
因为他爱你,只希望 你幸福。。。

如果一个男人 真的爱你,
那么你会比他的事业更重 要,
他绝对不会已事业为借口推脱你 。。。

如果一个男人真的爱 你,
他不会陪这所谓的客户去做所谓 的应酬,
(很多男人把找小姐说是谈 生意需要)
他 宁可不要这个 业务,
世界上又不是只有这个业务。 。。

如果一个男人真的爱你 ,
他绝对不会一次次把你推向那冰冷 的手术台,
更不会让你一个人孤孤单 单的去走向那冰冷的世
界,,,他会 郑重的说:“把我们的宝贝生下来
吧 !”

如果一个男人真的爱你 ,
他会象爱他家人那样爱你的家人,
也会尊重你的亲人和朋友
如 果一个男人真的爱你。 。
那 么,那么,那么,
请你珍惜好他 ,好好爱他,
为他改掉所有的小姐脾 气,
好好的心疼他,理解他,鼓励他 ,支持他!

希望并祝福所有 勇敢追求爱的女人幸福

爱是 相互的,
也请女孩子好好爱你身边值 得你去爱的男孩子!

crazy record!!!

oh my god...today is another crazy record...i sleep at 9.30 am....what the hell?i going to crazy?oh no....who else can help me?hehe....i still plan no wan sleep go swimming.hahahahahahahahahahaha....=.=lll
exam stress stress stress...why some one still can very relax?exam not that important for them,aren't?haiz....so good if me can like this...haha...because i'm the last minute study in this sem...haha...keep moving on i'll be die soon...haha...so funny...
this few day quite crazy....i going to crazy....no....actually i'm crazy....my supervisor and my friend keep ask me wanna work or not....oh my god....i told them many time le....I WANT EXAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!can let me stay room study without any noice?haiz.........what the hell la....i not want to blame you all but at least let me get a comfortable night to study,can?head crack....can give me some pill to let me calm down? oh ya....medicine is no good for our health...so cannot....cannot cannot cannot....i no want to be a patient in tanjung rambutan...hahahahahahahahaha.....joke...so crazy...sometime got stress is a good way to let people grow up....you get what i means?hehe...you will notice it soon...why i will say like this?reason very easy...you got notice that sometime you stress you can do the things well and you will study hard in that moment?haha...if no...that means you still blur and dumb don't know the road you choose is correct or not....if yes...means you already satisfy to choose a correct way that you want it...
ladies and gentlemen, if got feel something wrong must go and find counseling...it would be a good way for everybody...don't be shy...hahaha...i promoting counseling...hahaha...no...just wanna give some advice...ganbateh and good luck for all student who have to attend a exam and those dumb person to get what they want...if you think you can, you can...confident in it...you're the best...hahahahaha...sayo nara...

珍惜眼前人。。。

有一個年輕人喜歡上了在便利商店打工的女孩,他每天都會到女孩工作的店裡面買一包香煙,
漸漸的兩人開始互相熟悉,當女孩工作感到無聊乏味的時候,
年輕人就會出現,他會陪女孩說說話 ,或是逗女孩開心.
女孩也知道年輕人似乎喜歡上自己了,可是自己已經有很要好的男友.

有商店夾公仔機...女孩很喜歡裡面的娃娃,
年輕人知道以後,當天他終於對她表白,希望女孩能接受他,
不知如何是好的女孩,只能殘忍的告訴年輕人,她和他是不可能的,
因為她已經有深愛的男友了,年輕人聽了之後默然的點點頭,
他不死心的問女孩,自己真的沒有機會了嗎?

善良的女孩不忍心....
於是她手指著娃娃機裡面的絨毛娃娃說,
除非你夾滿100個娃娃,而且一天只能夾一個.
原來女孩希望用時間來沖淡年輕人對自己的感情 ,
她心想,一天夾1個娃娃, 最快也要三個多月之後才有100個,
而且年輕人應該不會真的有耐心夾滿100個娃娃吧

這三個月的時間,她會盡量與男孩保持距離,
年輕人還是每天到商店來,可是女孩開始變得冷淡,
他總是試著聊一些女孩有興趣的話題,不過女孩依然愛理不理.

因為她知道唯有這樣做,才不會讓年輕人越陷越深.
年輕人或許是感覺到女孩的用意,
於是他每天夾娃娃,有時運氣好夾一兩次就中了,
有時運氣差,零用錢花光了也夾不到,只好跟朋友借錢繼續夾,一直到夾中為止.
無論花多少錢花多少時間,他每天一定會夾一個娃娃,
只是他無法與女孩分享夾到娃娃的喜悅,
因為他知道女孩有意要避開他,
為了怕引響到女孩的情緒,他只能在櫥窗外頭微笑的對女孩點點頭.

好幾次,看到年輕人因為夾到娃娃興高采烈的樣子,
女孩都想要衝出去對他說,
我是騙你的,你不要再夾了,就算你真的夾到100個娃娃,我跟你也是不可能的!
但是一想到年輕人希望破滅的樣子,女孩就於心不忍,她只能不斷猶豫.
就這樣1 天,2天,3天..,年輕人的娃娃數量不斷的累積,而女孩刻意與年輕人保持距離的結果,
則是讓自己在工作的時後更顯孤單.不知道是哪一天,女孩子因為在外地工作的男友無法回來陪她過18歲的生日,
與男友吵了一架,而那天年輕人仍一如往常的來到便利商店,
不同的是那天年輕人竟走進了店裡,他對女孩說,
可不可以破例讓他在今天夾兩個娃娃回去,
可是因為和男友吵架而心情不佳的女孩,很生氣的當場拒絕了他.
就這樣,年輕人走到娃娃機旁,默默的夾了一個娃娃回去,
在年輕人離開的時後,他對櫥窗裡的女孩看了一眼.
隔天以後,年輕人再也沒來夾娃娃了.剛開始女孩雖然覺得奇怪,但是仍然慶幸自己終於放下了心中的大石頭.
可是漸漸的,她突然覺得不習慣,
因為那個每天都會為了她來夾娃娃的熟悉背影,
好像空氣一樣就消失不見了,這時女孩才發現到,
原來她心中的失落感遠遠超過年輕人所帶給她的負擔.
只是一切都...女孩開始想念以前年輕人來店裡陪她聊天的點點滴滴.
哪怕他只是站在櫥窗外頭沉默不語的夾娃娃,
似乎都會帶給她莫名的安全感.
所以女孩每天上班時,總是不斷的抬頭張望,
那個熟悉的身影來了嗎?



可惜的是,年輕人始終沒出現, 只剩下那台沒人使用的娃娃機.
有一天,女孩下班後,在店門口遇到了以前常和年輕人一起來的朋友,
她焦急的問他年輕人的下落,可是年輕人的朋友則是一臉黯然,
他帶女孩來到年輕人的家,
當他開啟年輕人的房間的門時,映入女孩眼簾的是
一群娃娃機裡面的絨毛娃娃,以及躺在床上動也不動的年輕人.
原來年輕人的脊椎有病,必須要開刀才能保住生命,
可是開刀有一半的機率會失敗而導致全身癱瘓,
年輕人在開刀的前一天晚上,也就是女孩和男友大吵一架的那天,
希望女孩給他機會夾2個娃娃,因為他已經累積有98個了,
然而卻遭到女孩的回絕,隔天之後年輕人手術不幸失敗變成植物人,
年輕人的母親拿了一封信給女孩,那是年輕人在手術之前寫好的:
其實我早就知道,就算夾到了100個娃娃,
妳也不可能會喜歡我,我之所以這麼做並不是故意要造成妳的困擾,
而是希望在我有限的時間裡,
證明我曾經很用心的去愛一個人,
這樣就足夠了,如果妳看到了這封信,
那表示我再也無法為你夾娃娃了,對不起,或許我的努力還不夠吧,
沒能夾到100個娃娃親手送給你..
女孩看著床邊的99個絨毛娃娃,那是99顆無法承受的真心,
眼眶裡的淚水早已決堤而出...
隔天女孩來到年輕人的家,
她將第100個絨毛娃娃放到年輕人的手中,
這時已經變成植物人的他,
眼睛流下了淚水...


如 果有喜欢的人不妨大声的说“我爱你”不然某天来不及了你将会后悔莫及。。。人生长短。。。说来就来,说走就走。。。不要作会令你后悔的事。。。珍惜眼前 人。。。但也不要只会说爱却做不到。。。520 1314 不是件简单的事。。。说了不能做可是会给雷劈哦!!!哈哈。。。加油吧,朋友们。。。

life just like a game!!!

the life just like a game...you can meet a lot of people in your life...but you wouldn't know who is the one will be your partner forever is which number of people that you meet...

第一个是自己,
第二个是你最爱的人,
第三个是最爱你的人,
第四个是共度一生的人.
首先会遇到你最爱的人,然後体会到爱的感觉;
因为了解被爱的感觉,所以才能发现最爱你的人;
当你经历过爱人与被爱,学会了爱,才会知道什么是你需要的,
也才会找到最适合你,能够相处一辈子的人。
但很悲哀的,在现实生活中,这三个人通常不是同一个人;
你最爱的,往往没有选择你;
最爱你的,往往不是你最爱的;
而最长久的,偏偏不是你最爱也不是最爱你的,
只是在最适合的时间出现的那个人。
你,会是别人生命中的第几个人呢?
没有人是故意要变心的,他爱你的时候是真的爱你,
可是他不爱你的时候也是真的不爱你了,
他爱你的时候没有办法假装不爱你;
同样的,他不爱你的时候也没有办法假装爱你
当一个人不爱你要离开你,
你要问自己还爱不爱他,
如果你也不爱他了,千万别为了可怜的自尊而不肯离开;
如果你还爱他,你应该会希望他过得幸福快乐,
希望他跟真正爱的人在一起,绝不会阻止,
你要是阻止他得到真正的幸福,就表示你已经不爱他了,
而如果你不爱他,你又有什么资格指责他变心呢?
爱不是占有,
你喜欢月亮,不可能把月亮拿下来放在脸盆里,
但月亮的光芒仍可照进你的房间。
换句话说,你爱一个人,也可以用另一种方式拥有,
让爱人成为生命里的永恒回忆,
如果你真爱一个人,就要爱他原来的样子爱他的好,也爱他的坏:
爱他的优点,也爱他的缺点,
绝不能因为爱他,就希望他变成自己所希望的样子,
万一变不成就不爱他了。
真正爱一个人是无法说出原因的,
你只知道无论何时何地、心情好坏,你都希望这个人陪著你;
真正的感情是两人能在最艰苦中相守,也就是没有丝毫要求。
毕竟,感情必须付出,而不是只想获得;
分开是一种必然的考验,
如果你们感情不够稳固,只好认输,
真爱是不会变成怨恨的。
你呢?找到了第几个?
茫茫人海中,你遇见了谁?谁又遇见了你?


great!!!let's go to change right now.


yup...i'm saying you.why i say you're right?because you tell me girls have to beautiful and guys have to handsom...now i really realized what you means to me...haha...thanks, my friend...why i will agree of your lesson?

if you are girl or guy,you didn't try to make yourself beautiful or handsom....then people will say:
1. you are the person who out-of-date.
2.you are the stupid.
3.you are the person who let people bully still same like a turtle.
4.you are the one who don't like to be friend with you.
5.you are the guy or girl that not an idol for everybody.
6.you are the idiot "dam dam".
7.you are the conservative person.
8.you are the person that don't know how to choose your style.
9.you are the person who come out from the forest never go to the town.
10.you are the person who no have any knowledge.
11.you are the top 10 ugly guy or girl.
12.you are the person who no have a close partner in the future.
13.you are the failure person.
14.you are the monster.
15.you are the stone born you out.
16.you are the orang asing.
17.you are the bad person that people that do a lot of bad thing.
18.you are the person that cannot be trusted.
19.you are the person that always do the wrong thing even though you never do that.
20.you are the person that let people feel uncomfortable and want to make a distance with you.

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For those who want to get a lot of special,please faster action to make yourself beautiful and handsom...don't cause of some unhappy event happen then give up of yourself...
In this world, all of the human is equality no matter girls or guys also the same...no ugly person in the world just got the lazy person...if you wan to be a lazy person then don't blame people say you ugly lo!!!!!

For those who are beautiful and handsom enough please take care of your mouth oh!!! once you say something that will let people unacceptable then you have to prepare to accept the war between you and her/him lo........

finally,please see the movie name "200 pound beauty"...this is the nice show that i want to introduce to all of you.the story in this movie is meaningful to me.if you also feel that your feel same like me welcome to insert some commend to my blog.

Wanna know what this movie talking about?if wan,must look through my blog oh!!!see you.........

want to be a difference?just do it don't be shy...

According to the survey, the result for the survey is almost all of the human want to be dfferent.you want to be?don't tell me you never think want to crazy one night or one hour?what for want to crazy? suddently dance at the shopping mall is showing that you are crazy now...you got ever try that?or you don't dare to do it?or you do it but then the place not shopping mall?

hahahaha......ya, you're great if you dare 2 do it like that.what?i won't do like that?oh,no.you're wrong!!!i'm learning dance now.i dance at the front of the human oh...not animal or wall...don't look down at me...if not,hehehehehe...........

the movie that i introduce is talking about a girl cause of her dreams and her love go to do surgery...she is great!!!some of the surgery girl after they become beautiful they will look down the ugly girl and do something hurt to them. even though the girl don't wan to tell all the people who are she and the mad guy is her dad but at least she can do back herself in the future and she dare to tell everyone who are she at the concert.

you can do it?even though they are surgery girl but they are the human so don't look down at them..i'm not agree you do surgery but if you wan to do it like that please don't lose your heart together with your body.anywhere, this is dangerous.

hope all of my friend can know that think before you leap...don't do something that will regret...you have no chance to look back...hope all the lucky star always be with you!!!

do you agree with this?

In IT field,some of the people say that the computer make a difficult thing to easier and some of them say that the computer make a impossible thing to possible.

question:"computer don't make difficult things easier,they make impossible things possible".Are you agree that?

For me,i will say i'm agree that computer can make something impossible to possible.if don't have that possible how can make the things easier?IT is amazing.why i will say like this?let me prove it to you.

IT can do a multiple slide show!!!without IT how you can move the slide show and combine the music?even though you can use the hand to make it but you can put some real picture into your slide show?no,right?IT can do a video movement in movie.using your hand can do it?IT can let you do e-commerce.without IT will you can shopping without go to that place?will you can see the other country product?will you get a lot of the choice in the real shopping center compare with the online shopping?IT can make a lot of thing become robotic.isit IT make a impossible thing?without IT our house can get a good security system?what make the Biometric?without IT we can make a decision making correctly?without IT the creation of the robot can act like our human?space exploration------without IT our human can travel to the moon?

all of this is the reason why i agree with this sentence...are you have a same answer with me?or you are the different?even though computer can make something difficult to easier also but same like i say at the front don't have that possible happen how can the things can make it easier?????haha.......go think it yourself lo!!!!!

breakaway...would you like it?

Grew up in a small town 在一个小镇成长
And when the rain would fall down 每当大雨迷茫
I just stared out my window 我只是向窗外凝望
Dreaming of a could-be 梦想着我的梦想
And if I'd end up happy 如果我能快乐死亡
I would pray (I would pray) 我将会祈祷(我将会祈祷)
Trying not to reach out 尝试着不想外面的世界
But when I'd try to speak out 但我总是想要倾诉
Felt like no one could hear me 却感到茫茫无助
Wanted to belong here 想要归属这儿
But something felt so wrong here 但又总是充满了疑惑
So I pray (I would pray) 所以我祈祷(我将会祈祷)
I could breakaway 我将要远走他乡
I'll spread my wings and I'll learn how to fly 我将展开翅膀,我将学习飞翔
I'll do what it takes til' I touch the sky 我将努力直到我接触天涯
I'll make a wish 我将许下心愿
Take a chance 尝试一下
Make a change 奋斗一回
And breakaway 远走他乡
Out of the darkness and into the sun 脱离黑暗,冲向光明
But I won't forget all the ones that I loved 但我不会忘记我所深爱之物
I'll take a risk 我将独自冒险
Take a chance 尝试一下
Make a change 奋斗一回
And breakaway 远走他乡
Wanna feel the warm breeze 想要吹着暖风
Sleep under a palm tree 睡在棕榈树下
Feel the rush of the ocean 感受海浪拍击
Get onboard a fast train 搭上一辆快车
Travel on a jet plane, far away (I will) 登上一架飞机,展翅高飞(我将)
And breakaway 远走他乡
I'll spread my wings and I'll learn how to fly 我将展开翅膀,我将学习飞翔
I'll do what it takes til' I touch the sky 我将努力直到我接触天涯
I'll make a wish 我将许下心愿
Take a chance 尝试一下
Make a change 奋斗一回
And breakaway 远走他乡
Out of the darkness and into the sun 脱离黑暗,冲向光明
But I won't forget all the ones that I loved 但我不会忘记我所深爱之物
I'll take a risk 我将独自冒险
Take a chance 尝试一下
Make a change 奋斗一回
And breakaway 远走他乡
Buildings with a hundred floors 种满百花的大楼
Swinging around wild indoors 绚丽多彩香溢四方
Maybe I don't know where they'll take me but 可能我并不知道为何我深受吸引,但
Gotta keep moving on, moving on 我必须继续前进,努力奋斗
Fly away, breakaway 展翅高飞,远走他乡
I'll spread my wings 我将展开翅膀
And I'll learn how to fly 我将学习飞翔
Though it's not easy to tell you goodbye 虽然多么难以向你说声再见
I gotta take a risk 但我必须冒险
Take chance 尝试一下
Make a change 奋斗一回
And breakaway 远走他乡
Out of the darkness and into the sun 脱离黑暗,冲向光明
But I won't forget the place I come from 但我不会忘记我来自何方
I gotta take a risk 但我必须冒险
Take a chance 尝试一下
Make a change 奋斗一回
And breakaway, breakaway, breakaway 远走他乡

don't do the things that you will regret later!!!


daniel: i guess we are the left over in this world.
jasmine: i think so...all of my friends have boyfriends and we are the only two persons left in this world without any special someone in our lives.
daniel: yup...i don't know what to do.
jasmine: i know!we'll play a game.
daniel: what game?
jasmine: i'll be your girlfriend for 30 days and you will be my boyfriend.
daniel: that's a great plan in fact, i don't have anything to do for the following week...

day 1
they watched their first movie together and were both touched in the romantic film.

day 4
they went to the beach and had a picnic...daniel and jasmine had their quality time together.

day 12
daniel invited jasmine to a circus and they went to a horror house...jasmine was scared and she tried to touch daniel's hand but by accident she touched someone else's and they both laughed...

day 14
they saw a fortune teller down the road and asked for their future.the fortune teller said:"my darlings,please don't waste the time of your lives...spend your time together happily." then tears flow from the teller's eyes.

day 20
jasmine invited daniel to go to the hill and they saw a meteor...jasmine mumbled something.

day 28
they rode on a bus and because of the bumpy road,jasmine gave her first kiss to daniel by accident.

day 29 11.37pm
daniel and jasmine were sitting in the park where they first decided to play this game...

daniel: i'm tired jasmine...do you want any drinks?i'll buy you one...i'll just go down the road...
jasmine: apple juice would be fine,thanks.
daniel: wait for me...

20 minutes later...a stranger approached jasmine.

stranger: are you a friend of daniel?
jasmine: yes,why?what happen?
stranger: a reckless drunken driver ran over daniel and he is critical in the hospital.

11.57pm

the doctor came out from the emergency room and handed out an apple juice and a letter to jasmine.

doctor: we found this in daniel's pocket.

jasmine read the letter which says:
jasmine, this past few days, i realized you are really a cute girl and i am falling for you...your cherished smile,your everything when we played this game...and before this game ends,i would like you to be my girlfriend for the rest of my life...i love u,jasmine...

jasmine crumples the paper and shouted...

"daniel, i don't want you to die...i love you...remember that night we saw a meteor?i mumbled something...i wished that we would be together forever and never end this game.please don't leave me daniel...i love you,you cannot do this to me..."

then the clock strikes 12

daniel heart stop pumping

then it was the 30th day...

always love your loved ones and show them how you feel before it's too late...you will never know when they will gone from your embrace...if you were given a time to bestow petals of everlasting compassion and love to your love ones,today is the day.love them while they are still here...